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Interview with the Reverend Jesse F. Anderson, Jr., by William W. Cutler, Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania Oral History Project, Philadelphia, Pennsy ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932ylvania, May 1, 2016.WILLIAM CUTLER: Reverend Anderson, I’m interviewing you here today for the diocesan oral history project, rd like to talk about a range of topics. There’s no right or wrong answer, just here to find out about your life in the Church, and about your life in general. So rd like to ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932 start by asking you to tell me when and where you were born.JESSE ANDERSON, JR.: I was born in New York City. I often refer to it as being an escapeeck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932
of Harlem Hospital, in 1937, May 2nd. My birthday is tomorrow.WC: Tomorrow.JA: [Laughs] The last one in the seventies!WC: Your father was working in Interview with the Reverend Jesse F. Anderson, Jr., by William W. Cutler, Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania Oral History Project, Philadelphia, Pennsy ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932Saint Philip’s, Harlem.JA: Right.WC: How long did you live in New York?J A: We didn’t stay there very long. He later took a parish, a mission, in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and we were there for about three, maybe three or four years. Then he went from there to Saint Matthew’s Church in Wilmington, Del ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932aware. And from Wilmington, Delaware, he came here to Saint Thomas.WC: So what are your earliest memories of the Episcopal Church?ANDERSON2JA: [Laughsck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932
] Well, I have to say my earliest memory of the Episcopal Church was . .. when we were at Saint Philip in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and they told me thaInterview with the Reverend Jesse F. Anderson, Jr., by William W. Cutler, Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania Oral History Project, Philadelphia, Pennsy ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932int Matthew’s in Wilmington, I became an acolyte. I guess I was an acolyte at about five years of age, and so forth. But all devilish memories there. I had a brand new Charlie McCarthy tie, and when you have acolyte vestments on, no one can see your tie. So I proceeded to take my tie out, and put it ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932 in front of the cassock. And my godfather, who was singing in the choir, was motioning me to put that tie back in before my father saw it. [Laughs] Sck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932
o I remember that.Just growing up there, and then coming here, I remember, again, I guess my first memory was becoming an acolyte here. That meant—thaInterview with the Reverend Jesse F. Anderson, Jr., by William W. Cutler, Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania Oral History Project, Philadelphia, Pennsy ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932colyte here, and all. So those are my memories to start out here. As I always said, I guess I was always acolyte. I probably realized I was an acolyte for, oh, until I went to seminary. I had been an acolyte for a long time. I had been an acolyte longer than I had been priest or deacon here.But I ca ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932me here, and we just had a large acolyte group. I mean, guys would get here—they were doing three services here, and my father would do most of them bck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932
y himself, 7:00, 9:00, and 11:00. Somehow or other, he was able to get home and fix breakfast, and get back here to do the nine o’clock service. I’ve Interview with the Reverend Jesse F. Anderson, Jr., by William W. Cutler, Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania Oral History Project, Philadelphia, Pennsy ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932, you mean, 1 think, probably (he building al 32"' and Parish?J A: The building, 52’“’ and Parish Street, yeah. We were at 52nd and Parish. I don’t think they had been in that building very long. That had been a Presbyterian church, and we’re very ritualistic here, and always have processions and so ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932 forth. One thing Ĩ always remember was there was a tremendous column in the center of the church, which presented problems for processions, and peoplck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932
e deciding which side of the column they were going to go around, to get around that. But we did that.WC: Were you worshiping in that building when itInterview with the Reverend Jesse F. Anderson, Jr., by William W. Cutler, Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania Oral History Project, Philadelphia, Pennsy ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932t that time, people used to paint their windows, and so forth, with Christmas scenes, and that was what I was doing when the phone call came in, telling Dad about that lire, and his going down to the church and so lorlh, and then all that followed up. We met in movie houses, and other places. Then f ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932inally we ended up in a little storefront [building] on Haverlord Avenue and 52ad Street, up on the second floor of that. The congregation just sort ock5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932
f held together, and melded and all.We had to make do with all of that; that meant for all kinds of new living arrangements, and then trying to get thInterview with the Reverend Jesse F. Anderson, Jr., by William W. Cutler, Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania Oral History Project, Philadelphia, Pennsy ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932 into. And many churches just refused to sell to Saint Thomas, and Episcopal churches refused (0 sell to Saint Thomas. And so we ended up just having to rebuild that whole business at 52nd Street. They finished that—by the time they really finished that, I was in college by that time. That would hav ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932e been around, what? The fire would have been around ’51.WC: Yes.JA: Yeah, ’51. That was my freshman year in high school.WC: You would have been fourtck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932
een?JA: Yeah, yeah, about right, yeah.WC: How did your father bear up under the strain of this?J A: He did very well with it. He was never concerned aInterview with the Reverend Jesse F. Anderson, Jr., by William W. Cutler, Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania Oral History Project, Philadelphia, Pennsy ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932aging giving, because giving had not—giving wasn't very well encouraged in the diocese, no less amongst black congregations, because almost all your black congregations were mission congregations.WC: Yes.JA: And there was a mission mentality about giving, and not having to give, and so forth and so ck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932on. One of the things I do remember him going through, but that was after that church was built, I believe, was a thing about pledging, when pledgingck5wycqmw4dtmzuqspj9fki0f-anderson-session-one-final-701143-20932
suddenly became the thing. And he introduced pledging here at Saint Thomas, and that was not received well at all. I was surprised to find out, when IInterview with the Reverend Jesse F. Anderson, Jr., by William W. Cutler, Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania Oral History Project, Philadelphia, PennsyInterview with the Reverend Jesse F. Anderson, Jr., by William W. Cutler, Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania Oral History Project, Philadelphia, PennsyGọi ngay
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